How long would it take to reach the edge of the reachable universe?

  • How long would it take to reach the current edge of the reachable portion of the universe, with the following bounds in mind:





    I would like to know the time the traveler experiences, and the time that everyone else (e.g. those on earth) experience.


    I think this is probably more suited to the https://space.stackexchange.com/ forum anyway, but I dont think its feasible to say it would need to accelerate for the whole journey (+/-) because the speed of light is finite and you cant accelerate past it.

    I realize that the observer would not go past the speed of light, but length contraction and time dilation takes place at near relativistic speeds. Relativity is weird, but amazing! I wonder if it could be moved to the space.stackexchange.com if it is deemed necessary?

    Since this journey is completely infeasible, but can be answered with physics for the hypothetical case, I think it should stay here.

    I think Pela provided a better refined answer, feel free to look at the implications I propose in the end of my answer as well, I think they are well worth taking a look at.

  • pela

    pela Correct answer

    6 years ago

    Jonathan's answer is essentially correct, but as Rob Jeffries comments, he doesn't take into account that the Universe is expanding during the journey.



    The edge of the observable Universe is 47 billion lightyears (Gly) away. Even if you are a lightbeam, you cannot reach that point. The farthest you can go if departing today is roughly 5 Gpc, or 17 Gly, but this journey would of course take infinitly long (or else it wouldn't be "the farthest you can go"). This distance is probably what the linked article is referring to (I didn't read the article; it's very, very long).



    So, in order for the answer to be any fun, you have to freeze the Universe, using magic, which is what Jonathan's calculator is doing. Here I'll just provide the analytical solution: In that case, the proper time $\tau$ (i.e. the time experienced by the traveler) to reach a distance $x$ when traveling at a constant acceleration $a$ is
    $$
    \tau = \frac{c}{a} \cosh^{-1} \left( \frac{ax}{c^2} +1 \right),
    $$
    where $c$ is the speed of light. If you wish to decelerate after having reached halfway, you just divide $x$ by $2$ and multiply the result by $2$.



    If you plug in the $x=15\,\mathrm{Gly}$ you request, you get roughly 45 years. To get to the edge of the Universe at 47 Gly actually only takes a few years more. The reason for this is simply that traveling at 1G gets you to (almost) the speed of light in only a couple of years, and hence you experience (almost) no time, no matter how far you go.



    The time experienced for the Earthlings for the traveler at constant acceleration is given by
    $$
    t(\tau) = \frac{c}{a} \sinh \left( \frac{a \tau}{c} \right),
    $$
    which works out to 15 Gyr for the 15 Gly, and 47 Gyr for the observable Universe. The reason is simply that the traveler, from the point of view of the Earthlings, extremely fast reaches a speed which is almost the speed of light.


    Thanks for providing the formula, revision, and for a well thought out answer! Could you please specify what all the variables are in the formula?

    @Jonathan: I think it's there already: "…the proper time $\tau$ to reach a distance $x$ when traveling at $a$". Or which variables are you thinking of?

    ah yes, I don't know how I missed that (unless it was edited in). Thank you!

    So how does it work out if you do consider the expansion of space time. As your approach C length contracts and at the same time space time is expanding. Does the traveler therefore observe a greatly increased expansion rate one which dominates the length contraction he is also observing. Preventing him from reaching the edge of the observable universe? The implications of this is that speeds are not relative and that there is actually a universal reference frame which you could discover by adjusting your speed until you minimize the observed expansion rate of the universe. This seem wrong.

    If instead the expansion rate is the same to all observers regardless of velocity then the universe wont expand much in those 45 years from his point of view and therefore he can make it well past the edge of the observable universe.

    @trampster wow, an interesting point I had not considered. I don't know how that would work yet...

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