What's the reason that we have a different number of days each month?

  • It always was interesting for me to understand the answer for the question:




    What's the reason that we have a different number of days each month?




    If the month is fixed on the time that the moon circles the earth, then the time of the circling isn't equal each month? And if the month fixed by the time that the earth circles the sun and then divided by 12 (365:12=30.4), why one month has more days and the other month has less days?



    Before desktop computers, how did astronomers handle calculations of dates and times accurately, for example two plates taken decades apart, how would an astronomer calculate the time difference precisely?


    I've added an extra sentence to keep your question on-topic in Astronomy and not just about the history of calendars and how the month is defined for modern Gregorian calendars.

    only slightly related, calendar history/trivia in VSauce's How Earth Moves

    Since the Earth orbits the sun faster in January than it does in July (about 3.4% faster on Perihelion than Aphelion), then a case could be made for the months not being equal. In fact, Nov-April has 181 days (182 on leap years) and May-Oct has 184 days, which corresponds pretty well to how far the earth moves in each 6 month period. I don't know the historical reason for why it worked out that way.

    @userLTK wouldn't that be interesting if it turned out not to be a coincidence?

    @userLTK It is a coincidence. since it depends on the earth's current position in the 26,000 year cycle of equatorial precession. Excluding February, every group of 5 consecutive months contains the same number of days (153). The reasons for the different lengths of the months date back to before the Julian calendar reforms of 45 BCE (and the widely quoted explanation for them, first published in 1300 years later, is demonstrably wrong).

    @alephzero but 26,000 years moves slowly compared to the roughly 2,000 plus years we've had the 12 month calendar and months are basically made up. And your saying "exception of February", but that's kind of the point. July and August both have 31 days. February - the opposite end of the calendar has 28. It's a good fit if it's coincidence and it seems possible to me that somebody worked out that winter months on average are shorter than summer months on average. But I'm not sure if that's coincidence or by design.

    @userLTK 'winter months are shorter than summer months on average' Hi from the other hemisphere :-)

    @mcalex You got me there. :-)

  • Max0815

    Max0815 Correct answer

    3 years ago

    You make a great point. The reason behind the discrepancy between the dates is due to a complicated history behind it.



    The calendar is based on the calendar created by ancient Romans, which is based on one Moon cycle. One lunar cycle is




    29.53 days.




    www.universetoday.com/20620/lunar-year/





    which does not evenly divide into the 365.25 days of the year.



    Note: The Romans borrowed the calendar from the ancient Greeks to develop the idea of a 10-month calendar that left approximately 60 days unaccounted for.



    Consequently, the earliest ancient Roman calendars had months that were either 29 or 30 days to account for this discrepancy.



    The Romans started using the 10-month calendar in 738 B.C. Their months were initially called:




    • Mensis Martius (March)

    • Mensis Aprilis (April)

    • Mensis Maius (May)

    • Mensis Iunius (June)

    • Mensis Quintilis (July, quin- meaning "five")

    • Mensis Sextilis (August, sex- meaning "six")

    • Mensis September ("seven")

    • Mensis October ("eight")

    • Mensis November ("nine")

    • Mensis December ("ten")



    To account for the remaining $\sim60$ days, Mensis Ianuarius (January) was added to the beginning of the year and Mensis Februarius (February) to the end of the year during Numa's reign around 700 B.C. with a leap year every 4 years.




    Leap years were decreed by proclamation the pontifex maximus, in such years an extra month was added to the calendar.




    Quoted from PM 2Ring





    The calendar stayed in that order until 452 B.C. when a small council of Romans, called the Decemvirs, moved February to follow January.



    However,




    in the initial 36 years of its adoption leap days were added every 3 years due to a misunderstanding (Romans used inclusive counting),




    Quoted from PM 2Ring





    so that caused a big problem. In fact, by the start of the reign of Julius Caesar, the previous calendar was off by a whole week!



    Julius Caesar noticed this and thus modified the Roman calendar in 46 B.C. to make each month have either 30 or 31 days, with the exception of Februarius[February], which had 29 days, with the three year leap year fixed into a four year leap year. Quintilis[July] was later renamed Julius[July] in his honor. Likewise, Sextilis[August] later became Augustus[August] to honor Augustus (Gaius Octavius, the first Roman Emperor). Augustus[August] was also given an extra day (taken away from Februarius[February]), so that Augustus and Julius would have an equal number of days, representing their equal power. This is the Julian Calendar.




    This calendar was extremely accurate, but was still not accurate
    enough as it drifts by approximately 3 days every 400 years. So after
    a few hundred years, the drift becomes noticeable
    (i.e. the seasons don't properly match the calendar), which is
    important for farming, and therefore human survival.




    quoted from CJ Dennis





    Then a pope named Pope Gregory XIII modified the Julian calendar again in October 1582. This is the currently used Gregorian calendar. He made it so that




    Every year that is exactly divisible by four is a leap year, except for years that are exactly divisible by 100, but these centurial years are leap years if they are exactly divisible by 400.




    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregorian_calendar





    This calendar is the most accurate calendar currently used, and won't be a single day off until the year of $\pm 3200$ AD. It isn't perfect though. Compared to the tropical year, it is 27 seconds too long. This is...




    due to astronomical effects (the
    rotation of the Earth speeding up and slowing down, etc.) we can't be
    more precise than that.




    quoted from CJ Dennis








    As for your other question, unless the plates taken had accurate dates of when recorded, it would be rather impossible to calculate precisely.


    There are some errors in this answer. Eg, before the adoption of the Julian calendar, leap years were decreed by proclamation the pontifex maximus, in such years an extra month was added to the calendar. In the Julian calendar, there is a leap day every 4 years (with *no* exception for century years), but in the initial 36 years of its adoption leap days were added every 3 years due to a misunderstanding (Romans used inclusive counting). See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar#Leap_year_error

    The Julian calendar drifts by approximately 3 days every 400 years. So after a few hundred years, not thousand years, the drift becomes noticeable (i.e. the seasons don't properly match the calendar), which is important for farming, and therefore human survival. The latest popular calendar, the Gregorian, drifts by about one day every 12000 years, if I remember correctly. Due to astronomical effects (the rotation of the Earth speeding up and slowing down, etc.) we can't be more precise than that. A calendar that's accurate today is extremely unlikely to be accurate in 12000 years' time.

    @PM2Ring Ah I see. Are you able to edit that into my answer? I don't know enough to accurately type in what you said with an explanation. Perhaps may I quote you?

    @CJDennis I will fix this.

    @CJDennis its 3200 years for 1 day to be off. I checked in my notes from science class.

    The introduction of the Gregorian calendar on 15 October 1582 (in the first countries to adopt it) corrected the drift since the First Council of Nicaea in 325 of ten days in the previous 1257 years or so (300, 500, 600, 700, 900, 1000, 1100, 1300, 1400, 1500). The First Council of Nicaea determined a mathematical way of calculating the date of Easter, instead of asking their Jewish neighbours.

    _This calendar is the most accurate calendar there is_. Not so. It's the most accurate calendar _in popular usage_. Other ancient calendars were slightly more accurate than ours (by seconds in centuries). Our current one is accurate _enough_.

    @CJDennis Not just ancient calendars. The Revised Julian Calendar used by some Orthodox churches is more accurate than the Gregorian calendar (and is identical to the Gregorian calendar until the year 2800). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revised_Julian_calendar

    An interesting aside, to effect the switch to Gregorian calendar a papal bull was used that specified a precise algorithm to compute the calendar dates, leap years, and adjust the dates from julian precisely. These efforts were done to have the most accurate estimate of easter, but now define the Gregorian calendar. This canon law is an early example of a law based on an algorithm.

    @crasic that's nice!

    The Gregorian calendar is the most accurate calendar commonly used, but the Iranian calendar. is supposedly the most accurate solar calendar. The adoption of the Gregorian calendar occurred at different times by different countries. Britain & its colonies 1752, Russia 1918 & Saudi Arabia 2016. Ethiopia has it own calendar.

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