When, how and why did the stars in the logo of the Republican Party get turned upside down?

  • Note: I'm not making any claims here, I'm simply asking for the story behind the logo change.

    Here is the current logo of the US Republican Party:

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    The stars used to point upwards, like this:

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    This may seem like an insignificant thing, and I suppose it might be. But why would they change it? This seems strange for a party that has so many religious members and voters, including Christian fundamentalists and evangelists, who might take such symbolism seriously.

    The stars have the shape of a pentagram.

    The shape of a pentagram pointing down is commonly used as a symbol of Satanism.

    Here are some quotes from Wikipedia.

    Let us keep the figure of the Five-pointed Star always upright, with the topmost triangle pointing to heaven, for it is the seat of wisdom, and if the figure is reversed, perversion and evil will be the result.

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    A reversed pentagram, with two points projecting upwards, is a symbol of evil and attracts sinister forces because it overturns the proper order of things and demonstrates the triumph of matter over spirit. It is the goat of lust attacking the heavens with its horns, a sign execrated by initiates.

    So, given the GOP's large Christian voter base, it seems strange to play around with such a symbol.

    Why did this change happen? Was it just a random thing? Has there been any debate about it? When did it happen? Who initiated the change?

    The Democratic Party's logo also features such stars, but they're still pointing upwards. The same is true for the US Flag, the US emblem, the flag of the European Union and countless other such emblems.

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    Such stars being upside down seems to be highly unusual?

    I prefer answers with sources.

    I could be wrong but isn't a 5 ray star not the same as pentagram? (which is same star shape, but NOT filled in)

    @user4012 I'm not sure either. But if I was the GOP I would probably have played it safe and kept them pointing up.

    This isn't conspiracytheories.se

    @blip Is there any theory in my post?

    @blip I haven't suggested that there is anything sinister or conspiratorial at play here. I'm merely asking for the story of the change in the logo. I'm sure you agree that it seems like a senseless move, given the general Christian affiliation of the GOP?

    The websites you linked claim that the logo was changed in 2000, or around 2000. However, a 2004 GOP conference shows the stars pointing upward and a 1984 pin shows the stars pointing downward, so I'm not sure if your claim is true.

    @A.Darwin I included those links as an example of religious people taking offense at the logo, not as a source for any claim. If you can document that the logo has historically mostly pointed downward, that would be a good answer.

    not sure there needs to be anything sinister, but when inferring religious symbolism onto rather innocuous imagery, well, that's the bread and butter of the conspiracy theory industry! Odds are they flipped the stars because some art director just preferred it that way. As for religious people taking offense, well, that's their bread and butter!

    @blip Thanks for your comment. Yes, these stars are a rather silly affair, really. But just look at the silly affairs people have made big deals out of. Also. understanding *conspiracy* is essential to understanding political history. From the assassination of Julius Caesar to the charges against King James in the Declaration of Independence, they all involve *conspiracy*. So conspiracy theories are essential to understanding political history. Unfortunately the term has gotten a somewhat different meaning in recent times, such as it being applied to these silly stars.

    They aren't upside-down, they are rotated 36 degrees.

    The only serious (non-conspiracy) report that seems to exist is from Mother Jones, which reports *"When I called up the RNC to ask about the logo's history, staffers invariably said, "we'll have to get back to you on that" and never did."*. Guess we may never know for sure...

    @Carpetsmoker That is interesting, thank you. I agree that we may never know for sure. Also, though, I question whether it is useful to divide reports into "serious" and "conspiracy" ones. Who is the judge on what is a "serious" report and what is a "conspiracy" one?

    I think it's safe to dismiss any report which takes Satanic, Masonic, Jewish, New World Order, and similar connections serious as conspiracy nonsense. Unless, of course, they provide actual evidence for such connections, which they never do.

    @Carpetsmoker Right, whether evidence is provided or not is a good criterion for seriousness. Whether a report discusses Freemasonry or not, on the other hand, is not a good criterion.

    Well, true. But in general parlance "conspiracy theory" is just a shortcut for "outlandish and unlikely scenario for which no direct evidence exists" ;-)

    @Revetahw I guess it hangs on what you require as evidence. If you believe that the current fiat system is a scam (and I'd be more than happy to provide logical evidence of that) and that a handful of bankers are in charge of that scam (also happy to provide evidence of that), I think it becomes quickly apparent that something is wrong. Further research into how heavily symbols plays a role in the world will make one realize how much certain groups, for some reason, adore symbols. Some people might use a pentagram for benign reasons. But at some level, someone's boss probably knew what was up.

    @JackBauer Why is your rep 1 on Politics, but you can still comment? Mystery!

  • The history of the GOP logo is rather confusing.

    First of all, it is true that the current GOP logo features three stars pointing downward, but the RNC logo - which is completely different - contains three stars pointing upward. Moreover, the Republican Party of Minnesota uses both versions in the same page.

    Previous versions of the logo feature both versions.

    For example, a 1972 Nixon button uses the downward-pointing stars:

    Nixon button. Note the GOP logo with the stars pointing downward

    while a photo from a 2004 Republican dinner in San Diego, CA clearly shows the logo with the stars pointing upward.

    2004. Note the stars pointing upward

    Downward-pointing stars can also be seen on this 1984 Reagan pin sold on Ebay.

    I haven't been able to find other relevant images so far, but I think that the claim that G.W. Bush turned the stars upside down can be safely rejected.

    I also believe that the correct GOP logo features three stars pointing downward, but I'm not sure why different States use different versions.

    It is thus likely (but not certain) that the correct logo has always been the same at least since the 70's, and that there have been printing mistakes in some occasions.

    If this is not the case, I haven't found so far any official explanation for such a frequent change in the GOP logo, and a definitive history of the logo cannot be written.

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