What are the primary objections Democrats have to a border wall?
Taking Trump out of the issue, Democrats have largely been united in their opposition to building a wall on the border with Mexico (with a notable half-measure in 2006). It became quite the negotiating point when they agreed to fund the wall for DACA citizenship in budget negotiations before the Jan 2018 shutdown, but saw no agreement from Republican lawmakers..
What are their main objections to a border wall? Note that fence and wall are synonymous for our purposes here.
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I would question the seeing of a "fence" and a "wall" as synonyms. The former seems to be cheaper, if somewhat less effective at deterring / preventing illegal immigration as a wall. It seems totally within the realm of possibility to have a politician strongly prefer one over the other.
@Machavity and how is that any different than the unofficial reason to support the wall?
@blip I think you're misunderstanding me. There's a ton of unstated political reasons for leaving things status quo (and we could drag this down easily if we tried to list all of them on both sides). What I'm looking to understand is what the Dems stated goals here are. The GOP has made its stated goals public, but Dems are not as forthcoming on the issue. I'm not looking to bash anyone here
Moderator: As it is currently written, the question does NOT explicitly ask for the positions of the Democratic Party, it asks for the positions of DEMOCRATS, which could be Democratic Party lawmakers (each of whom might have a different position), or ordinary rank & file Democratic Party voters.
The DHS has stated that border walls are ineffective. Bush built many miles of wall and it was ineffective. What they are asking for is for the immigration courts to enforce the immigration laws. The DHS has no difficulty capturing border-crossers. They do have problems deporting them due to due process. They want the money to go to immigration courts and officials. But that's politically not exciting.
It's not clear to me that Democrats are opposed to border-wall construction (your one source suggests they are fine with border walls/fences where necessary), so much as they opposed to some of the plans for full-border walls that have been put forth so far.
Recently, in response to reports that the spending bill would include funding for a border wall, 5 Democratic senators released a letter voicing concerns over the cost, the effectiveness, and the legal issues of constructing it.
We are also concerned with reports that there may be an effort to include funding for a very expensive new wall along the southern border with Mexico and a “deportation force.” According to non-partisan experts, the proposed new border wall could cost as much as $25 million per mile and raises considerable issues that have not been resolved by the Congress or the Department of Homeland Security. First, many experts believe that such a border wall will not work. Second, there is real concern that the Administration, put simply, has no plan to build the border wall. For example, the Administration has not detailed how to 1) use eminent domain and other procedures to acquire land from private landowners and Native American tribes, 2) design the wall, 3) locate the wall, 4) construct the wall, and 5) require Mexico to pay for the wall given the President’s clear and repeated promises that he would force Mexico to do so. Finally, there are objections to the construction of a wall from Democratic and Republican members of Congress that represent border states. Given these and other concerns, we believe it would be inappropriate to insist on the inclusion of such funding in a must-pass appropriations bill that is needed for the Republican majority in control of the Congress to avert a government shutdown so early in President Trump’s Administration.
Senator Charles Schumer
Senator Richard Durbin
Senator Patty Murray
Senator Debbie Stabenow
Senator Patrick Leahy
Based on this letter, it appears their main objections to a full border wall are currently the cost-benefit ratio and the legal issues of taking land from Americans to build it on; objections that may not be unique to Democrats.
Wasn't me, but its probably because at least some democrats do (did?) in fact oppose any form of wall construction: http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/12/elizabeth-warren-to-trump-never-ever-going-to-build-your-stupid-wall-video/
@Matt I dunno, sounds more like Elizabeth Warren is saying no to "[Trumps] stupid wall", rather than no to walls in entirety. P.S. I know it wasn't you, because I'm quite certain I know who it was. :)
Your assertion is that they are opposed to Trump's wall specifically. Can you cite any examples of counter-proposals or offers of concessions for strengthening border security at all? There's no reason to believe this letter is more than simply posturing. Democratic mayors have declared cities as "sanctuary cities" and literally refused to deport illegal immigrants. It's difficult for me to believe that a party that doesn't constantly decry this kind of behavior would ever be in favor of increased border security of any kind.
@jpmc26 See the first sentence of my answer and the question, which link to this example: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/apr/23/mick-mulvaney/fact-check-did-top-democrats-vote-border-wall-2006/
@AlexanderO'Mara Thanks. If that link is crucial to your answer, then quoting it and adding some more emphasis would seem prudent.
I'm surprised that they don't mention the ineffectiveness (there are any number of tunnels under the current border, not to mention several thousand miles of coastline and a lot of air), or the environmental impact.
@jamesqf There are a lot of reasons the wall is an utterly pointless waste of money, I guess they just chose some to focus on.
@TimB They did also say "many experts believe that such a border wall will not work" which presumably includes being tunneled o̶v̶e̶r̶ under.
@Semaphore I heard one congressman who I think was a Dem. from the Southwest claim that the wall is estimated to only delay crossing by a few minutes (or was it seconds?) and it was hard to justify the cost for that.
In the last years there have been a "boon" of discovered tunnels on frontier cities of Mexico, and i don't mean poor prepared tunnels but well engineered and built ones. With electric and ventilation infrastructure. These tunnels have probably been working for a couple of years. Plus the addition to drones to the ways of traffic drugs. Plus other well known ways of human and drug traffic that don't involve "jumping" the wall. Taking that into consideration you might wonder how much impact will a wall have? Plus the elephant in the room that one talks about. Negative economic impact.