Does the 90 days VWP rule expire if you travel from the US to Canada?

  • I'm on a New Zealand passport.

    From most US Embassy webpages:

    The Visa Waiver Program (VWP) enables nationals of certain countries, including Australia, New Zealand, and the U.K., to travel to the United States for tourism or business for stays of 90 days or less without obtaining a visa, if certain requirements are met. Under the VWP, time spent in Canada, Mexico, and adjacent islands counts towards the maximum of 90 days stay allowed under the program.

    I'll be there on a 1-year working holiday visa starting when I arrive in Vancouver. I'm spending 3 days in Hawaii en route to Vancouver. This seems to imply that 90 days after landing in Hawaii, my time will be up and I won't be able to get back into the US, as my living in Canada will not reset the clock. What if after this time I want to say, pop across the border to Seattle? How can I restart the 90 days, without having to resort to say, flying to Japan and back just to reset it?

    Can you clarify what you mean by 'living' in Canada? What is your legal status in Canada - a resident, a tourist, or something else?

    I'll be there on a 1 year working holiday visa starting when I arrive in Vancouver.

    @MarkMayo BTW I can't find the page that says that.

    @MarkMayo Well if it isn't a government operation. http://london.usembassy.gov/vwp3.html basically implies that you can re-enter even after 90 days just need to re-apply for VWP. Besides Curacao mentions 27 countries which are now 36.

  • Doc

    Doc Correct answer

    9 years ago

    There's an important distinction between leaving the US temporarily, and leaving permanently, which is as much as anything dictated by you returning to your place of residence.

    If you are in the US under the Visa Waiver Program (VWP) and you leave the US for a few weeks to visit Canada (or Mexico) with an intent to return to the US then you are deemed to have only temporarily left the US for that period, and thus your 90 days carries through - even though you're out of the country. In the days of the I-94W forms (the green form you used to fill in when arriving in the US), you would actually keep your I-94W in your passport even when you left the US.

    If you are leaving US to return to your place of residence, then you are leaving permanently. In this case your VWP period would end when you left the country, and historically that's when you would have turned in your I-94W.

    As you have a work visa to be in Canada, for the period of that visa Canada would be your place of residence. That means that every time you leave the US your visit will have deemed to have ended as you've returned to your place of residence, and thus permanently left the US - which means that when you re-enter the US the VWP clock will be restarted.

    At the end of the day the Canada/Mexico condition is intended to stop people doing visa runs from the US to Canada/Mexico, thus getting another 90 days on their VWP. If it's clear that's not what you're doing then you'll have no issues.

    Don't forget that to enter the US under the VWP you will first need to obtain an ESTA.

    (Note: Usual provisions apply. IANAL, but I've entered the US around 40 times both on VWP and on Visas so I know the processes fairly well! If you want a definite answer, either contact USCIS, or talk to a qualified immigration lawyer)

    thanks. Yes I've got an ESTA valid until November, it was just the 90 days I was concerned about. Great answer!

    You only need the ESTA when entering the USA by commercial vessel, i.e not if you drive from Canada by car.

    Correct, ESTA is not needed if entering via car, but you will need to fill in an I94W form at the border instead.

    `In the days of the I-94W forms` I entered the US yesterday (and came back to Canada the same day, which is my country of residence), and I did keep the green I-94W in my passport. (So these days are not over)

    `That means that every time you leave the US your visit will have deemed to have ended` Not sure about that. I kept my I-94W since I told the Canadian border agent that I might go back to the US in the next 3 months.

    I94W are still used for (some) land arrivals, however the original poster was arriving by air. In your case you elected to keep the I94W so your time will not reset - you could have just as readily returned it and ended your stay.

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