What is the most dangerous area of Paris (or its suburbs) according to police statistics?

  • When I travel I like to visit areas which are deemed 'dangerous' by tourist guides. Often they turn out to be a little rough but not at all dangerous and interesting to see.

    So the question is: what is the most 'dangerous' area I can visit in Paris? In order to make the question non-subjective, police statistics are welcome. I am aware that certain tourist sites have a high concentration of scam artists, but I'm more interested in 'neighborhoods' that are considered hazardous by local authorities.

    Paris proper or do you want to include suburbs ?

    @silkroad anything that's considered to be within the Paris metropolitan area. I presume the most dangerous areas would be close to the center of Paris anyway.

    Everything north of Avenue de Clichy or Gare du Nord has a certain reputation. Also check out St. Denis.

    Fascinating question! I think really *specific* answers are called for here.

    Parisian rappers have been arguing with each other over who lives in the most dangerous neighbourhood for ages.

    If you're interested in "interesting", with "danger" being a proxy for that, how about searching for areas with a high proportion of immigrants from former French colonies?

    @JonathanReez France has a city development quite different from some other countries. City centers are well-off, suburbs are poor. Immigrants used to be assigned to suburbs areas.

    This question seems ill posed. You're looking for "dangerous according to tourist guides but turn out to not be actually dangerous," and then ask for *objective, police statistic based measures of dangerous*. The latter category seems much more likely to be *actually* dangerous than the former. Also, you're setting a bad example with this question.

    This isn't enough for an answer, but there are regions in France which are designated as 'sensitive urban zones' (Zones urbaines sensibles), which is a metric which is not specifically for crime, but rather for things like high public housing, unemployment, etc. These things can correlate with poverty and therefore can also correlate with crime. The list of current areas designated ZUS is at: http://sig.ville.gouv.fr/atlas/ZUS/ - you can find ones inside and around Paris by looking at region Paris, Seine-St-Denis, Essonne, &c

    Police statistics are not going to be very helpful. They reflect police priorities, presence and activity as much as anything else.

    If you really want an answer based on pure police statistics, then it isn't "listed as dangerous, but not really so" ... it's dangerous. It's also a wikipedia question (meaning there are places to actually look up that information, why should we duplicate them for one city, for one traveler); if you really want to know what places are considered dangerous but not quantifiably so, then this is opinion. Can't have it both ways, but even if you could, they are both, to me, not appropriate for this site, regardless of your up-votes.

    @CGCampbell most of the visa questions are "Wikipedia questions" as well, as they're easily answered through Google. Should we delete them as well?

  • Gayot Fow

    Gayot Fow Correct answer

    5 years ago

    I can help with places that are horribly dangerous, but it's a matter of opinion as to what is the most dangerous. Earlier this year I was part of a mission sent by the JCWI to assist refugees. We went to Calais and to Paris. Armed escorts accompanied us every step of the way.

    Go to the Stalingrad Metro stop (Northeastern Paris). When you come out turn right and head Northeast to the Avenue de Flandre. Proceed up the Avenue a few blocks and turn left on to any side street. There you will find a somewhat post-apocalyptic venue where migrants have created a camp site. It's bloody dangerous and borderline foolhardy to stroll around without an escort.

    And if that's not adventurous enough, there is an abandoned railway running around the centre of Paris called the 'Petite Ceinture' (i.e., 'little belt'). Portions of the track path have been claimed for ad-hoc, makeshift migrant camps. These are essentially lawless.

    To try it, you can pick up the tracks near the Gare d'Orsay (or really anywhere along the track path). Walk along the track path towards the Southeastern part of Paris. You'll find tents and mattresses and what-not strewn about and you'll be well satisfied that you have experienced urban danger in Paris. Don't even think about it at night.

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    (The Guardian, fair use)

    All of this is time sensitive because the citizens are really angry and the city is taking steps to fix things. So go now. And as for police statistics? LOL! These places are 'unregulated'.

    If you're just looking for medium spooky scary, try the Catacombs with an unofficial night tour guide.


    NOTE:

    Jonathan Reez asks "Is it okay to visit that migrant camp if not carrying any valuables?"

    Unless you have a sign in about 12 languages that you are not carrying valuables, I wouldn't suggest it. Your best strategy is to wait until you spot a police patrol on foot and ask if you can join them. Or stay close behind them without permission, but then expect a sharp challenge. Are you a trafficker? A pimp? Dealing drugs? Looking for children to kidnap? A serial killer? What are you doing there? You don't belong! These questions would by posed to YOU, the visitor, rather than to the inhabitants. The police would be upset because you are in an unregulated place and they will have to waste time escorting you to safety.

    NOTE:

    Sumydra comments: "-1 for stereotype (migrants -> crime) without any data to back it up"

    Interestingly, there has been no mention of 'migrant crime' at all in this answer, even through all of its various edits. The answer addresses 'danger'. Let's turn to an earlier definition put forth on this site where the topic was Russia...

    Having said that, if your definition of 'dangerous' includes feeling unsafe, or being physically intimidated, or any other source of discomfort brought on by the locals, then these things could lead to a feeling of being threatened. At the very least the discomfort brought on by a perceived threat will spoil your mood, and possibly lead to the conclusion that it's dangerous. This can happen without any crime being committed, such as a direct physical assault. Physical intimidation is also not a crime, but leads to the same feeling of threat and being unsafe.

    Source: Safety - Visiting Russia...

    This passage is saying that 'danger' is often a state where the person feels the absence of safety. "Crime" and "criminality" can, and often have nothing to do with it. Also, there is nothing in this answer that stereotypes a particular ethnic group. These notions were introduced by commenters, most likely as a misconceived display of piety. It's my experience that the areas mentioned in this answer represent hundreds of groups, including born and bred Frenchmen.


    And for those who think such things matter or perceive an insult or otherwise think I am throwing shade, note that I am an Islamic طالب علم under the tutelage of a Sunni scholar.


    Media links helping to define 'dangerous'

    Most credible reports inform us that these incidents were sparked by yobbos out on a wilding rather than the migrants themselves.


    Update 29 Oct 2016

    Related to the closure of the migrant camps in Calais, some news sources are reporting that the Paris migrant camps have expanded to include the 10th Arrondissement. The 10th was not very safe to begin with because of the Gare du Nord and Gare de l' Est. Accordingly, heightened situational awareness is advisable whilst in the 10th (in addition to the previously mentioned 19th).

    Other than migrants being there, are there real statistics about crime rates there? there's nothing in the linked article about crime or violence.

    I'm a bit puzzled as to why the answer only mentions "migrant camps" as the most dangerous places in Paris whereas such dangerous places existed a long time before the migrants even left their homes. I know there is a correlation between poverty and violence but in this very case I see absolutely no data that confirms/denies that those areas really are the most dangerous. I sure know of Paris zones that were (and still are) dangerous without any "migrant" presence.

    -1 for stereotype (migrants -> crime) without any data to back it up.

    To people who think this answer is prejudiced towards refugees: OP is a professional immigration lawyer. He has been to this very camp and seen the conditions there with his own eyes. He is recounting personal experience, not being prejudiced. And, seriously, do you even know what life in such camps is like? There are thousands of traumatized people fleeing from war packed into a small area with terrible conditions. (Continued...) @RobSkelly

    Many of them have been through hell and lost all their belongings. They're traumatized, impoverished and living in awful conditions. Do you really think that's gonna be a safer place than the rest of Paris? Do **you** have any statistics to refute OP's valuable personal experience? This critique comes off as a rather extreme and non-useful type of political correctness. Perhaps you should take a trip to the camp yourself. Remember to dress in properly touristy clothing and to bring your valuables. Also, I find OP's external sources quite convincing too. @Sumyrda

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